tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC December 23, 2015 12:00am-1:01am PST
i'm chris matthews. thanks for watching. good evening from new york. i'm alex wagner in for chris hayes. for those of you who have just seen the original documentary "citizen trump," you've finished a tour in one of the most incendiary chapters in the political rise of a frontrunner. tonight we present to you a new chapter for the next documentary, one that began last night, and involves donald trump, hillary clinton, and vulgar references to human anatomy. in this campaign trump has defied political gravity over and over. despite a series of outrageous statements about mexicans, muslims, and many, many more. trump continues to lead the
presidential race, although, as we'll discuss, a surging ted cruz is now within striking distance. meanwhile a new study finds that telephone poles, like that one, may actually underestimate trump's support. trump generally has done better in online polls than surveys done by phone. a survey finds trump supporters are less likely to say they support him when they're talking to a live human than when they're in the anonymous environment of an online service. in other words, some trump supporters may be embarrassed to admit their choice of candidate. they aren't the only ones for whom trump elicits feelings of embarrassment. that new poll found that 50% of americans, half the country, would be embarrassed to have trump as president, while just 23% would be proud. there was, unsurprisingly, a huge partisan gap in those responses. 82% of democrats would be embarrassed to call trump president, compared to just 20% of republicans. at a campaign rally last night,
the donald trump was operating at peak trump. at one point he joked about killing reporters, and he went on to offer a pair of gross and misogynistic attacks on his potential general election opponent and potentially the first female president of the united states. he started off by invoking her delayed return to the debate stage on saturday after a bathroom break. >> i'm watching the debate and she disappeared. where did she go? where did she go? i know where she went. it's disgusting. i don't want to talk about it. no, it's too disgusting. don't say it. we want to be very, very straight up, okay? >> yes, there is nothing more disgusting than a woman using the bathroom. trump then went on to use a bull vulgar and exceedingly unpresidential term to characterize clinton's loss in the presidential nomination.
>> hillary, everything that's been involved in hillary has been losses. even her race to obama, she was going to beat obama. she was favored to win. and she got schlonged. she lost. >> after those on comments, clinton's spokesperson said, "we won't respond to trump, but everyone who understands the humiliation this degrading language inflicts on all women should." trump tweeted a response, "once again mainstream media is dishonest. this is not a vulgar word, it meant beaten badly." clinton was exchange today in iowa where a young woman stood up to ask a question about bullying. >> what are you going to do about the -- all this bullying, not just because of just people
who want to be mean, but mental and physical, and diseases that people have that they're able to live with every day? >> can you tell me more about why that's on your mind? >> i have asthma. and occasionally i've heard people talking behind my back about not wanting to be near me because i have asthma. >> clinton gave that young woman a hug and called her brave. then she discussed her own experiences with bullying and made a clear reference to the republican frontrunner. >> you are looking at somebody who has had a lot of terrible things said about me. and i am well aware of the fact that it's really easy to do that. you say it and you send it around the world. and luckily, i'm old enough that it doesn't particularly bother me. but i can't even imagine what it's like to be, you know, a young person in today's world where that's coming at you all the time. we shouldn't let anybody bully his way into the presidency. because that is not who we are.
[ applause ] >> as americans. >> joining me now is patricia murphy, columnist from the washington beast and roll call, and a political correspondent from the washington post. dave, is the outcry over trump's use of the word just a problem with the mainstream media? >> i don't think it is. i haven't heard many republicans be offended by it, more astounded by it. when i first heard the clip i thought he was misusing the word or maybe has a bigger vocabulary than the rest of us. this is frankly something i'm tired of living with. clearly when he makes these statements, they are interpreted not as something that should offend voters, they're interpreted as something that offends the media which makes his voters cling to him even more. this goes on this extremely long list of things that have not hurt him at all because of the way they hit his voters.
>> patricia, you take this in context, this is someone who offended fans of megyn kelly with his comments about her, fans of carly fiorina with his comments about her face. you have to wonder whether there is not a subtext to his comments even if the word itself may be in dispute. >> with donald trump, my goodness, who knows if there's a subtext. do you need a subtext? do you need to know the hidden meaning behind what is already offensive on its face? i'm not really sure. what i will say is donald trump, the story line here is that he's rising in spite of these comments with his supporters. i will tell you, having been to many of his rallies, he is rising because of these comments. and it's not just what he's saying. it's the fact that he's saying it at all. and it's proof to his supporters, and they tell me this a lot, that he is not a regular politician. he's not afraid of politicians.
and specifically, because he has his own money, he is unbought and unafraid and feels free to say what he feels like. it's what they don't have in their daily lives, so every time he does this, they don't care if they're a little offended by it also. it works for them because it has the larger symbolism of who he is to them. it's very important to them and they absolutely love it. >> the freedom to say missogynist, racist statements. here's what jeb bush said today. >> he's the chaos candidate. imagine him as president at a press conference. there has to be a level of decorum to win. it's not a sign of strength to insult people with profanity. it's not a serious thing. >> does it play into hillary clinton's --
>> she's great at being the victim, victimology status. this is what she loves doing. trump is not going to be president because he says these things, it turns people off. i mean, for crying out loud, we're two days before christmas, lighten up, man. >> oh, dave, women and that victimology, always playing the victim card. what is happening in that statement? >> you can feel the passion, you can see why his campaign is going the way it's going. i do believe he feels this way. and i think other members of the bush family are astounded and offended that this is not being punished by an electorate that they thought they understood. but he is not a very good messenger of why he's not catching on. i spent the weekend covering the ted cruz's campaign. people there think he has cracked the veneer of the way politics has worked in this country and you can't be
offensive enough. he might hit a point where he's so offensive, that changes. even if people wince at his remarks, they feel like there's been a go along to get along politics as exemplified by jeb bush, they're not going to go back to the politics of being nice to each other. >> for the rest of the country that is in favor of a more tolerant and progressive society, one would think that this actually does play to hillary clinton's strength. you saw her at that rally. there was so much hull aballou in 2008. she's able to take these barbs and use these to her advantage, is she not? >> she absolutely is. if you start to dig into some of the numbers in the head to head matchups between donald trump and hillary clinton, he has a 70% disapproval waiting among women. i don't know how you overcome that. he's staying relevant close to relatively close to that in
spite of that. you hear anxiety from republicans downticket, who are up in 2016 and very much do not want donald trump at the top of that ticket because it puts them in a difficult position with women, latinos, african-americans, people they very much want to reach out to and at least have some chance of winning. they're asked every day, what do you think about what donald trump just said about women, what do you think about what he said about latinos, do you want a beautiful wall, who should pay for it? that's not the campaign they want to run. every time he says something like this, not only does it make hillary clinton feel good, it also makes mainstream republicans very anxious, and i understand why, because it may play well with the base of the republican party. it is not playing well with most americans. every poll you go into, the highest negative numbers in state by state polls of any name of any party is always donald
trump. and that is not where you want to be as a national party. >> and dave, there is some talk and analysis about whether trump supporters are too embarrassed to admit to live humans that they're actually trump supporters. >> there might be some of that. i'm always skeptical, because really, those theories of shy voters, they pop up from election to election, they popped up in kentucky recently. but trump is also getting more massive rallies than anyone else. people are not worried about being photographed, appearing at one of these things where he could say anything. no, i think it's just a frustration with politics that has not changed very much. it's happening, surprisingly to some people, in a period where the economy could be better, but it's certainly not collapsing, it's certainly not the state that it is in some of the european countries where right wing populism has taken off. the problem here, and you were kind of touching on it, this is the sentiment in the republican party. and there's a confidence among republicans that anyone could
beat hillary clinton because of some of what donald trump just mentioned. and that is flopping with the general electorate. but it's not clear that republican voters know or care. >> patricia murphy and dave weigel, thanks very much for your time. joining us now is david brock, author of "killing the messenger: the right wing plot to derail hillary and had come your government." thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me back. >> it seems pretty clear the clinton campaign would like a battle with donald trump. >> to some extent, sure. i don't see why not. >> in large part because he's cartoon character that keeps saying things like this. >> on one level, i think that's right. on another level, i think what we're seeing is pretty troubling. as much as the latest outrage, you may say, great, it's hurting republicans, it's really deeply troubling that the base of the party likes what they're seeing in trump. there's a real desire for strong men in the base of the party. i think we're seeing an entirely different republican party in this cycle.
and trump is riding that wave. but what's really interesting is not so much trump as the trump supporters. and it goes back to the racial appeals of nixon, to the silent majority, to the reagan democrats. now these people feel manipulated, they feel exploited, they feel used. they're looking for the guy who isn't the politician. they've found him in trump. i think that's what's going on. and i think the republican establishment certainly is scared, but i think it's troubling for the rest of us as well. >> sure. in the big picture, america, the moral arc of the universe, people are concerned. >> right. >> to the clinton question, which seems central to this campaign, can she assemble the coalition in the same way that barack obama did, young people, millennials, minorities? donald trump, if he is the candidate, would seem to be a great way to gin up enthusiasm among that part of the coalition, the fear of a trump presidency could be a huge motivator to push people to the polls for clinton. >> exactly.
in the chris matthews special, it shows that when trump first emerged, it was as a champion of the birther movement. that tells you a lot about what's underneath this. his followers are not especially right wing. they're angry and they're filled with hate. >> i guess i wonder, is this not a double edged sword? beyond the question about where the country is headed, in a certain segment of america that's deeply disenfranchised, what are the strategies that donald trump is ready to deploy at any moment? he is friends with someone named roger stone who has said all kinds of questionable things about chelsea's paternity, the right wing conspiracy machine around the clintons could be fired up by donald trump. >> it used to be called the clinton crazies in the 1990s. you see in the latest zogby poll, the majority of republican voters believe obama is muslim,
they don't believe he's christian. what they got a taste of last night was the misogynist attacks on hillary clinton. >> do you think there's a deeply racial animus and violence subtext? >> and we can't say enough, the crowd really loved it. and they hate their leadership. they hate paul ryan, who, you know, was supposed to be the follower of ayn rand but just passed a big government budget. they lost with john mccain, mitt romney was supposed to be getting rid of barack obama. >> it plays into a violent subtext. >> i think that's where the party is. >> i guess i question, if you truly believe that those were donald trump's motivations, is the clinton campaign ready to weather whatever else -- >> sure, they are.
but the republican establishment has spent a lot of money polling on how to attack hillary clinton without attacking her as a woman. it's all undone last night. so yeah, the clinton campaign is prepared to deal with all comers, including donald trump, sure. >> it is going to be an interesting next several weeks. david brock, thanks for your time. >> thanks for having me back. ahead, ted cruz says it's a two-way race on the republican side and he's got a new poll to prove it. plus sergeant bowe bergdahl faces charges that could carry a life sentence. less than ten minutes after a rocket took off from cape canaveral, the historic feat that triggered this reaction from mission control.
post," he also wanted to point out differences in their records. >> i would say it's the record of accomplishment, my record in florida compared to his, when people look at it. i'm a reform minded conservative that got to be big things. he didn't. he hasn't. we were triple-a bond rated. he's had credit downgrades. we led the nation in job growth. new jersey hasn't done as well. >> when we come back, the surge of ted cruz. is he about to take the lead from donald trump?
thought the republican race could come down to just him and me. he may well be right. we're surging in the polls. donald may well be rice that this is turning more and more into a two-man race between donald trump and me. if that's the case, the decision will be made by the voters. >> senator ted cruz, two turned 45 today, got a pretty good birthday present this morning. a survey has trump leading cruz by just 4 points. while trump's numbers remain practically the same, cruz has shot up 8 points. interestingly enough, education could be the thing that ultimately sets these two men apart. 538 calls this the diploma divide. the website found that trump is being buoyed by a strong non-college-educated base, far more voters without a college degree than any other candidates. joining me now is a politics reporter at the daily beast and
tim carney from the "washington examiner." tim, let's start with winning over non-college-educated voters. can ted cruz do it? >> i think cruz can do it just as well as trump and he's the guy to pick up those voters if they do start peeling off of trump. a large part of that is he rails against the washington elite, the washington establishment, which the republican party has long served mostly the business lobby, and cruz has been part of the movement to try to pull the republicans away from that, try to speak to working class worries. immigration is a major one. cruz is a very natural guy to take some of those voters away from trump. >> what about marco rubio? he's done better among college-educated white voters. can he siphon off some of those non-college-educated white voters? >> it doesn't seem particularly likely. what's interesting is how these poll numbers basically show that
since the last debate, ted cruz has gone up and rubio has either flat lined or gone down. i think part of the reason for that is rubio is targeting his arguments to beltway folks and east coast media folks instead of to these un-college-educated working class white people. for much of last week rubio's team pushed criticism of cruz based on an amendment that he pushed during the 2013 immigration reform battle. now, that's obviously a very interesting and substantive criticism, for what it's worth. but if you're a working class white guy and you're having trouble keeping a job and you're worried that demographic changes jeopardize your ability to support your family, a battle over how immigration battles got fought on capitol hill might go over your head. >> i guess i wonder, tim, this is a moment in which that non-college-educated base of republican voters seems fired up, they seem dominant in the narrative insofar as their candidate, donald trump, and to
some degree ted cruz, have stayed at the top of the polls pretty consistently. in the end, if someone like marco rubio is the nominee, does that base turn and hold their nose and pull the lever for him in the general election? >> that's exactly the voter that stays home in elections, when republicans nominate a guy like mitt romney. it's what realclearpolitics caused the missing voters, that used to be democrats, got turned off by abortion on demand, gay marriage, then they look for a home in the republican party and sometimes they find it in ronald reagan or a guy like rick santorum in the last primary, and then if the republicans nominate someone who seems like a total beltway insider, that's the sort of person will stay home.
the difference is rubio understands the problem in a way that romney never did. can he solve it, i don't know that. >> let me push back on something. we talk about the white voter in the wilderness. there's been internally democratic schisms, to your point, but this election feels like if there is a white voter in the wilderness it's open republican side of the aisle because of the turmoil and the difference between the establishment and the base at this particular moment. >> what i'm saying is those people are not arch conservatives. the missing white voter isn't the person who is there who is sort of railing against the 35% top tax rate or railing against the minimum wage law or even necessarily hard-core pro-lifer. the missing white voter, the people rallying behind trump are from all over the political spectrum. they're turned off by the republican party's closeness with big business, turned off by liberal social issues and maybe
a perceived political correctness. they're not home at either party. right now they're being attracted towards a republican, donald trump. i think they will be attracted towards cruz. the question is whether rubio could turn them out if he were to win the nomination. >> betsy, whether it's non-college-educated white voters or college-educated white voters, the trick is getting them to coalesce behind one or two candidates a.s.a.p. that's marco rubio's uphill battle as well as it's ted cruz's uphill battle. >> and that's one area where ted cruz has been remarkably effective, how good he's been at turning out right constituencies. he goss endorsed by bob vander plat, one of the most powerful social conservative leaders in iowa. he's set to get the covert endorsement of conservative leaders who have been meeting in
private and plan to get behind this one person. cruz is in the best shape to pick up conservative, antiestablishment groups, getting those people to support him. rubio, it's a lot tougher, because even though he has the backing of wall street folks, big business types, he's had more trouble reaching out to people who really feel disenfranchised by the way republican politics works. of course cruz is siphoning off support from donald trump. it looks like cruz is picking up where ben carson left off. he's in a good spot. >> and marco rubio has jeb bush and chris christie. >> and john kasich. >> and there's always john kasich. thanks very much for your time. still ahead, bold comments from bernie sanders on the death of sandra bland. wow! this toilet paper reminds me of a washcloth!
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today a texas grand jury announced that it declined to bring an indictment against sheriff's officials or jailers in the death of sandra bland, a 28-year-old african-american who was arrested after a track of stop in houston. the grand jury has yet to decide whether the arresting officer might have been involved and whether they will face charges. bland was found dead in her cell
hanging from a plastic bag. authorities maintain it was suicide. three days earlier, on july 10th, a state trooper pulled bland over, he said, for a failure to signal a lane change. in dash cam video bland clearly cannot comprehend why the officer was taking such an action and an argument ensued. at one point, the trooper pointed a stun gun at bland and said, "i will light you up." she told the trooper she had epilepsy and he replied, "good." one of the prosecuters said the case is still open and the grand jury will consider other aspects of it. the director of the department of public safety has said the trooper violated internal policies of professionism and courtesy.
bland's family has filed a lawsuit, scheduled for jury trial in 2017. today bland's mother expressed frustration with the grand jury process. >> i'm not quite sure how to put faith into a secret proceeding, to trust them with what has happened in my family. my daughter is gone. and so what i would have liked to have seen is some sort of information to show what has happened to her. >> one of the special prosecutors maintains that they have tried on several occasions to make contact with the family through lawyers and the family did not respond. today presidential candidate bernie sanders sharply criticized the system in which this happened. "sandra bland should not have died in police custody. there's no doubt in my mind that she like too much
we have no confidence in your ability to identify macroeconomic trends. >> you flew here to tell me that? why? anyone can see there's a real estate bubble. >> actually no one can see a bubble. that's what makes it a bubble. >> that's dumb, lawrence. there's always mortgage fraud, quintupled since 2000. average take home pay is flat. home prices are soaring. >> mike berry, a guy who gets his haircut at supercuts and doesn't wear shoes, knows more than alan greenspan.
how do you explain what a synthetic collateralized debt obligation to an audience? have selena gomez describe it at a blackjack table. that's one way a movie called "the big short" does it. it shows how people predicted the housing and mortgage bubble. the director sat down with chris hayes to discuss "the big short" and how he adapted journalist michael lewis's book of the same name for the big screen. >> it was one of those books i read where it was like i picked it up at 9:00 p.m. and at 6:00 a.m. i put it down and thought, this is one of the books of our times. like this is a book that combines it all. it's about corruption, it's about the insider, the outsider. it's obviously about banking. it's funny. it's tragic. and i just could never get it off my brain. so it was a couple of years
later, even though it was challenging, i said yeah, i want to do that. >> the other thing about this movie is that the cast is phenomenal. when you told me the cast, i thought it was a joke, like, we have these people. and i thought, man, how did that come together? >> you know, that was one of the -- it's actually for other screen writers or directors, they will hate me for the story i'm about to tell, but it basically was, i, you know, wrote this script, i had a little board next to my computer that were my dream choices, and they were ridiculous. it was christian bale, it was brad pitt, steve carell, brian gosling. and they all said yes. i think their schedules were clear. but the big thing was the subject matter, this is one of the stories of the past 50 years, that drew them to it. >> what's amazing about this film is, i felt in the wake of the great crash and the housing bust, there was so much -- a
million different ways of covering it, right? people wrote nonfiction books that talked about it, but you haven't seen it actually in film. it's like waiting for when the vietnam war movies started entering the film canon. this is in some ways the first kind of cinematic expression of it. it takes you back to this moment that even though it's not that long ago, it feels like this moment that we have kind of lost touch with, in a way. >> it's kind of crazy. when you think about it, it happened in 2007, 2008. and already it feels like a long time ago. and i think what it really shows you is that this conversation was shut down really quickly. and it was just over with. we had dodd-frank, which, you know, did a couple of good things but also got awarded down. we did the stimulus package, which was i think really important. and then that was it. we were done. and so when we were making the movie, it had this feeling of being a long time ago, but i realize like none of the effects of this have stopped.
and really no one has done the movie to deal with it, you're right. >> one of the biggest challenges when you told me about it, lewis who wrote the book is a genius, he's able to take complicated ideas and synthesize him. but he's working with print, he can take pages. you're talking about credit swaps in a hollywood film. talk a little bit about figuring out how to do that. >> you forget about the huge complexity, there were several musicals about -- no, it was very tricky. it really was. what they came up with was this idea to show in the movie, where was america's mind when this was going on? so we constantly intercut images of music videos, iphones. what were we thinking about? in the midst of doing that, we thought, wait a minute, what if pop culture actually told us things we needed to know?
what if kim kardashian was on tv and told you about the libor scandal? and how far that birthed this idea that we're going to have pop culture icons explain this esoterica to us. consequently, you have at one point anthony bourdain tell us what these things are. >> it totally works. as someone who has wrestled with doing the same thing, because all of us reporting on this had the same problem, even if you're writing for a small circulation magazine, you still have to explain what it is. that works incredibly well. the other thing, sort of the final point here, the emotional life of this film is intense, particularly the steve carell performance, the kind of high note on which it ends, it's a real tour de force. how did you know steve carell could do that?
>> i knew he was good, we've all seen him in "foxcatcher," we knew he was capable of transforming. i had no idea he would be that brilliant. he went like three levels above what i was hoping for. and everyone's talking about him in this movie. he's sort of the heart and mind of the audience as you watch it. it's insane. >> the movie is called "the big short." it got me enraged all over again in the best, most cathartic way. thank you. >> thank you so much, chris. still to come, this celebration is not for the new "star wars" movie. a rocket just did something remarkable.
>> today the army judge convened an article 39-a arraignment hearing, december 22nd, on fort bragg, in the case of u.s. army versus sergeant robert b. bergdahl. >> bergdahl said, "yes, sir, i do," when asked if he understood the charges against him. he indicated he was satisfied with his defense counsel and deferred a plea until a later hearing. bergdahl may choose to be court-martialed before a panel or a military judge. back in may of 2014 as part of a prisoner swap, bergdahl was released by a group associated with the taliban after five years in captivity. in recorded phone calls shared with the "serial" podcast, bergdahl did not dispute he walked away from his out post but claims he did it to draw attention to issues he had with his leadership. he says he later changed his mind and tried to make his way back to the base. if convicted, he could face life in prison.
this week, two astronauts stationed on the international space station did something incredible. they took an unscheduled walk in space. u.s. astronauts left the iss to make repairs to a rail car that resupplies the station. the mission was short and successful. the astronauts fixed a break handle with two solid whacks. scott kelly is spending an historic year aboard the international space station, living in space longer than any other american. scientists still don't know the effects of spending a year orbiting above earth does to a person, much less what could happen to an astronaut during a mars mission, which could take more than two years. luckily in scott kelly's case, they can measure what happens to him during his year in space against a carbon copy of himself back on earth, his identical twin brother mark kelly, a retired astronaut and current
msnbc space and aviation expert, who told me what he talked to his brother about right after scott kelly took his unexpected saunter in space this week. >> well, he called, it was probably two, three hours after he got back inside the space station, and you get out of the suit. that takes a good amount of time. and so-called me on my cellphone. we chatted about how the eva went today. they were outside a few hours to do what was an unexpected repair of the space station. >> he has been in space so long, and it's not over yet. he's been there nine months. how have you understood the experience to be for him? >> you know, he's doing great. nine and a half months is long to be anywhere, whether it's a navy ship or displayed overseas. in his case, deployed to a spaces station orbiting the earth every 90 minutes. considering what he's gone through and the amount of time he's been there, he's doing
last night, the world witnessed one of the biggest developments in space travel in decades. spacex, a company run by entrepreneur elon musk successfully launched a rocket full of satellites into orbit and then returned the rocket back to earth. the equivalent of what one space ex-commentator described as launching a pencil over the empire state building, having it
reverse, come back down and land on a shoebox on the ground during a windstorm. the incredible difficulty of launching a rocket into space and then guiding it to land undamaged on earth became clear earlier this year when a spacex rocket failed to land on an unmanned robotic platform in the atlantic ocean almost making it but crashing and burning. another spacex rocket on its way to deliver supplies to the international space station exploded, disintegrating in mid-air. last night as employees watched the rocket hit the mark. we have liftoff. clear the tower. >> that is a view from the landing pad. >> that is that first stage
coming back down to land at cape canaveral. history in the making, guys. >> the falcon has landed. 11.100. recovery. >> joining me now is derek pitts, the chief astronomer at the franklin institute in philadelphia. thanks for joining me. those people look so happy. i guess as an expert in this field, can you explain to us specifically in terms of cost as to why this is such a big deal? >> this is a big deal because it costs about $16 million to build those first stage rocket launchers that they use to carry payloads up to low earth orbit. if you can reuse these, you're
saving $16 million for every one of those launches. what that does is drives down the cost for doing these launch biz a factor of 100 because the fuel used is only $200,000. so that means that you have much greater access by other users to space and it costs the operator so much less to operate all the equipment, as well. >> so what are the implications for space tourism? a lot of these private companies are trying these missions not specifically of this kind. but the lowering of the cost, i would assume that means perhaps one day i may be traveling to suborbital space? >> it does. it means that the everyday person has the opportunity potentially at some point in the future to be able to make that trip into space. of course, the idea is by making the systems usable, safe and operable as low cost, this opens the doors to using space much more frequently and expanding our space frontier and our space horizons. elon musk has said his basic
goal in building this company to begin with is to make planet earth and humanity a multiplanet species. and so his endeavor is to try to get people to mars as fast as possible with the contributions he's making. so what this does is it again opens up the doors and makes more of that exploration of space possible for much lower cost. >> elon musk also said this brings us closer one step closer to colonizing mars. for a whole host of americans and earthlings, that sounds like a very distant concept indeed or a very distant reality indeed. practically speaking, how far are we away from colonizing mars? >> it's always good to have a large goal out ahead of you. it pulls everybody along in the technological developments and gives people something to dream about. the practicality is that it's going to take quite some time to get all of the technologies pulled together and in place to make this trip right now. it's a daunting exploration that
would be done by any humans traveling because it takes so long to get there and you know to get back. so you know, we're talking easily 10 to 15 to possibly 20 years out before that the really can happen. but you have to remember, this is a very big trip. just getting started to go back to the moon for example, to maeve the way to go to mars, that could happen easily in a decade or 15 years. >> what's the hope of ever getting out of our solar system? >> well, the hope of us actually getting out of the solar system is going to require we develop new methods of propulsion that allow us to cover great distances much, much quicker. that's the watershed moment when we figure out how far we can actually go and how fast we can go. otherwise we're talking about multigenerational spacecraft and, of course, now we are off in into the realm of science fiction. >> between this and "star wars," it's been an awesome day for space sagas. thanks so much for your time.
>> thanks, alex. >> that is all in for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> good evening, thank you very much. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. november 2011, so just a little bit be earlier than now in the election cycle, the last time we had a presidential election, so the middle of november, 2011, the man who would go on to become the republican nominee for president that year, mitt romney, november 2011, he took a campaign trip to michigan. and on that trip, mitt romney said one of the strangest things he said during that entire campaign. he said something that day in michigan that's still to this day even looking back at it four years later, it still makes no sense. i have no idea what this means. >> i love being in michigan. everything seems right here. you know, i come back to michigan. the trees are the right height. the grass is the right color for this time of year.